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03/13/2019 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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01:33:19 PM Start
01:33:56 PM SB35
02:43:04 PM Adjourn
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           SB 35-CRIMES;SEX CRIMES;SENTENCING; PAROLE                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:33:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
SENATE BILL NO. 35, "An Act  eliminating marriage as a defense to                                                               
certain crimes  of sexual  assault; relating  to enticement  of a                                                               
minor; relating  to harassment in  the first degree;  relating to                                                               
harassment in the second degree;  relating to indecent viewing or                                                               
production of  a picture; relating  to the definition  of 'sexual                                                               
contact'; relating to  assault in the second  degree; relating to                                                               
sentencing;  relating  to  prior  convictions;  relating  to  the                                                               
definition of  'most serious felony'; relating  to the definition                                                               
of 'sexual  felony'; relating to  the duty  of a sex  offender or                                                               
child  kidnapper   to  register;  relating  to   eligibility  for                                                               
discretionary parole; and providing for an effective date."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:34:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES made opening remarks.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   REINBOLD  moved   to  adopt   the  proposed   committee                                                               
substitute  to  SB  35, labeled  31-GS1873\U,  Radford,  3/12/19,                                                               
Version U, as the working document of the committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:34:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:35:14 PM                                                                                                                    
REGINA  LARGENT,  Staff,  Senator Shelley  Hughes,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, introduced herself.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
BUDDY  WHITT,   Staff,  Senator  Shelley  Hughes,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau,  expressed thanks to members  for their work                                                               
on the  proposed changes to  SB 35.  He directed attention  to SB
35,  Section  7  of  Version   A,  AS  11.61.118(a),  related  to                                                               
harassment in  the first degree  and Section 13,  AS 11.81.900(b)                                                               
regarding sexual contact, which have  been removed from the bill.                                                               
Those  provisions were  placed  in a  bill  sponsored by  Senator                                                               
Micciche,   currently   before   the  Senate   Finance   Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT  reviewed  the  changes   in  the  proposed  committee                                                               
substitute  for  SB  35,  Version U,  beginning  with  the  title                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
       Explanation of Changes in Committee Substitute for                                                                       
     CSSB35                                                                                                                     
                         Version A to U                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
       Title Changes: The following has been added to the                                                                       
         title to the bill in order to conform to added                                                                         
     provisions of the CS;                                                                                                      
     ? relating to sexual abuse of a minor                                                                                      
     ? relating to indecent exposure                                                                                            
     ? relating to the distribution of child pornography                                                                        
     ? relating to automated victim notification system                                                                         
     ? relating to the definition of 'sex offense'                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:36:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT  explained that corrections  for small  drafting errors                                                               
along  with   some  substantive  amendments  were   requested  of                                                               
Legislative Legal Services and will be forthcoming.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  said  she  hoped   to  take  up  amendments  at  a                                                               
subsequent hearing on SB 35.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:37:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT turned to Section 1.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Section 1: Conforming changes to clarify references                                                                       
       with the new work draft and references to previous                                                                       
     legislation in order to clarify legislative intent.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT  said  Section 1  would  require  convicted  offenders                                                               
listed on  sex registries in  other jurisdictions to  register in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:38:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT turned to Section 7.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7: Amends AS  11.41.458(a) to make masturbation                                                                    
     in front  of someone under the  age of 16 the  crime of                                                                    
     indecent  exposure  in  the first  degree.  (Conforming                                                                    
     language will  add this as a  registerable sex offense)                                                                    
     (Page 3, Line 31 through Page 4, Line 11)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT  reviewed the  forthcoming change  to this  section. He                                                               
directed attention  to page 4,  lines 1-11  of SB 35,  Version U.                                                               
Chair Hughes  and some  members wanted to  make the  offense that                                                               
occurs in  front of  a person  under 16 years  of age  a stricter                                                               
penalty. The penalty  is currently a class C felony  and would be                                                               
increased to a class B felony.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:39:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL related  his understanding  that  an offender  who                                                               
exposes and  masturbates in  front of  a victim  who is  under 16                                                               
years of age,  knowing the victim can see  the perpetrator, would                                                               
be guilty of a sex felony as opposed to a sex misdemeanor crime.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LARGENT agreed that is correct, before an unwilling person.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  related  his understanding  that  this  provision                                                               
would  include  an exhibitionist  in  a  hotel window,  which  is                                                               
clearly inappropriate and criminal, but  it would be a sex felony                                                               
crime instead of a sex misdemeanor crime.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. LARGENT said that is correct.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT  directed attention to  page 5, lines 3-20,  Section 9,                                                               
to a small change in the  wording to ensure that indecent viewing                                                               
or a  "peeping Tom"  is covered under  the criminal  statutes. He                                                               
deferred to the Department of Law to further explain.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES asked staff to further clarify.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:41:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LARGENT explained  that the  Department of  Law and  Senator                                                               
Reinbold  pointed out  some ambiguity  in  this provision.  After                                                               
meeting with the  DOL and the legislative bill  drafter.  Section                                                               
9 contains the cleanup language, she said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT,  in response  to Chair  Hughes, said  small conforming                                                               
language changes were  made in Section 9 to  ensure that "peeping                                                               
Tom" offenders  were not  being protected. It  was not  listed in                                                               
the  explanation  of  changes  document   because  it  is  not  a                                                               
substantive change, but he would add it.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  agreed the document  should reflect  the conforming                                                               
change to Section 9.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:42:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL asked  whether the "peeping Tom" penalty  is at the                                                               
same level as  viewing a picture but producing  the picture would                                                               
still be at a higher penalty.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT  deferred to the  Department of  Law but said  that was                                                               
the sponsor's intent.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:43:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD  clarified that the language  seemed to legalize                                                               
"peeping  Tom"  activities  and  the  intent  is  to  close  that                                                               
loophole.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT confirmed that the small language change fixes it.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 12:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12: Amends AS  11.61.123(f) to indecent viewing                                                                    
     or production of  a picture a class B  felony, when the                                                                    
     person  capturing  the  picture  is an  adult  and  the                                                                    
     picture being  captured of  a minor.  (Page 5,  Line 31                                                                    
     through Page 6, Line 10)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  explained that prior  to this change in  Section 12                                                               
of Version U, to page 6,  line 3-5, the penalties for viewing and                                                               
production were  both a  class C  felony. However,  production is                                                               
more  serious  since  it  might  include  installing  cameras  or                                                               
creating videos rather than just  looking in a window. Changes in                                                               
Section  12  would  increase  the  penalty  for  production.  She                                                               
pointed out that if victim is  an adult, the penalties are at two                                                               
levels,  but the  viewing and  production  of the  picture for  a                                                               
minor was at  the same level. She explained that  in the drafting                                                               
multiple things were bumped up.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE referred to page 5  of Version U, Section 9, and                                                               
asked why this  language seems to allow youth ages  13-16 to give                                                               
consent to be photographed, including  the private exposure parts                                                               
on [page 5], line 7.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT and Ms. Largent deferred to the Department of Law.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:46:53 PM                                                                                                                    
KACI  SCHROEDER,  Assistant  Attorney  General,  Central  Office,                                                               
Criminal Division,  Department of Law,  Juneau, said she  was not                                                               
privy to  discussions between  members and  the Chair.  She asked                                                               
whether  it  was  his  understanding   those  sections  would  be                                                               
changed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked whether youth  between the ages  of 13-16                                                               
could give consent  for a photograph to be viewed  or produced of                                                               
them,  including the  private exposure  of items  listed on  page                                                               
5,line  7  [the  genitals,  anus, or  female  breast  of  another                                                               
person].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  answered that  a youth between  the ages  of 13-16                                                               
would need  to give consent  and have parental consent  from both                                                               
parents. That  is the way SB  35 is currently drafted,  she said.                                                               
She said that  if members want to  change it that it  is a policy                                                               
call that they can make.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked said that  a 13-year-old cannot consent to                                                               
having sex  since it would  be considered rape.  Further, parents                                                               
cannot give  consent for  a child  between the  ages of  13-16 to                                                               
have sex. She asked for  further clarification on the reason that                                                               
this would be different for an indecent private exposure.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  clarified that this  is not  involving pornography                                                               
or a  person engaging  in a  lewd act.  This pertains  to private                                                               
exposure.  She advised  that  the delineations  on  who can  give                                                               
consent was made by the legislature  a long time ago. She said it                                                               
is open for discussion if these need to be revisited.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE said  he  was trying  to  understand when  that                                                               
activity would occur.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER explained that sometimes  youth between the ages of                                                               
13-16  agree  to  that  type  of   conduct.  They  may  be  in  a                                                               
relationship with someone  who is older, but  the safeguard would                                                               
be that they  also need parental consen. She said  that these are                                                               
older children  and even  if the parents  give consent,  they may                                                               
want to have say over what is happening with their own bodies.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES said  she was  struggling to  understand when  this                                                               
would be sanctioned, perhaps for art purposes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:49:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  answered that  perhaps  it  would apply  to  a                                                               
medical journal.  He said that  parents should not  have children                                                               
under their care who could  subject their children to some pretty                                                               
horrible  things.  He  offered   his  belief  that  this  section                                                               
requires additional  conversation. He maintained he  is trying to                                                               
understand an  application where it  would be a really  good idea                                                               
to give consent.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  said that the  department has  had a case  where a                                                               
14-year-old  wanted  to  have  those types  of  photos,  but  the                                                               
parents did not  consent. She offered that  for younger children,                                                               
under 13 years  of age, it pertained to  situations where parents                                                               
may wish to take photographs of their baby in a bathtub.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:50:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  clarified that  she would  not find  it appropriate                                                               
for explicit  photographs of children  between the ages  of 13-16                                                               
but perhaps for medical purposes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:51:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL said  his question was on Section 12.  He asked Mr.                                                               
Whitt to review the section.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:51:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT reviewed Section 12.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  12: Amends  AS 11.61.123(f)  to make  indecent                                                                    
     viewing or  production of a  picture a class  B felony,                                                                    
     when the person  capturing the picture is  an adult and                                                                    
     the  picture being  captured is  of a  minor. (Page  5,                                                                    
     Line 31 through Page 6, Line 10)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  related his understanding that  this would pertain                                                               
to a minor  16 years of age  and under and not someone  who is 17                                                               
years old.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT said that was his interpretation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:53:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD asked  the Department of Law to weigh  in on the                                                               
class B felony in Sections 7  and 12. She asked how this compares                                                               
with other class B felonies  and if the penalties are appropriate                                                               
for the conduct.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER asked  for further  clarification if  this section                                                               
was one that had drafting issues.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  asked whether this would  go from a class  C felony                                                               
to a class B felony.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT explained  that the purpose and intent of  Section 7 is                                                               
that the penalties for indecent  exposure in the first degree for                                                               
a victim  who is  a minor, 16  years of age  and under,  would be                                                               
different than  when the  victim is  over 16  years of  age. This                                                               
would  differentiate between  victims  who are  minors and  adult                                                               
victims.  He said  that  Chair Hughes  requested  that the  crime                                                               
involving a  minor should be classified  as a class B  felony. He                                                               
anticipated  this  change  would  be included  in  a  forthcoming                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD said it causes her  a lot of pause. For example,                                                               
if the activity was between  two 15-year-olds who are minors. She                                                               
asked for  further clarification  on whether  the crime  would be                                                               
consistent with other class B felonies.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER   answered  that  if  the   legislature  wants  to                                                               
differentiate  between penalties  for  crimes involving  children                                                               
and those  involving adults, it  would be  is a policy  call. She                                                               
offered her belief that this  particular suggestion does not seem                                                               
to be in "left field."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD   asked  whether  the  penalty   provisions  in                                                               
Sections 7 and 12 that increase from  a class C felony to a class                                                               
B felony were appropriate penalties for the crimes.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  said  that  would  be the  same  answer.  If  the                                                               
legislature  would like  to elevate  charges  for crimes  against                                                               
children, it is a policy call.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES clarified that a  difference exists for the crime of                                                               
viewing and of  production. She agreed that  those sections still                                                               
need additional work.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  REINBOLD said  she was  contemplating the  penalties for                                                               
actual abuse  and ones  in which the  perpetrator does  not touch                                                               
the victims at all.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:57:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  asked Ms. Schroeder  to review how  conduct between                                                               
two 15-year-old  minors is  different from  the conduct  when the                                                               
perpetrator is a 30-year-old adult and the victim is a 15-year-                                                                 
old minor.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  said that  when two  minors under  the ages  of 18                                                               
years of  age engage in  consensual behavior, it would  be viewed                                                               
differently.  The  department  would exercise  its  prosecutorial                                                               
discretion differently than if the  conduct is between a 30-year-                                                               
old and  a 15-year-old minor. She  said it was important  to keep                                                               
in mind that unless the person  is waived into adult court, which                                                               
happens  infrequently, the  Division  of  Juvenile Justice  (DJJ)                                                               
would  handle these  cases. She  deferred to  the DJJ  to further                                                               
explain.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD  asked for  clarification on  the intent  of the                                                               
penalties in this section.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  responded that  the intent is  for the  penalty for                                                               
the crime of production of a photograph  of a minor to be a class                                                               
B felony.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD asked for the penalties in Section 7.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:59:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WHITT reiterated  that  forthcoming  language changes  would                                                               
make the penalty  for indecent exposure in the  first degree when                                                               
the victim is under  the age of 16 years of  age and the offender                                                               
is an adult a class C felony.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD asked  whether 18 years of age  is considered an                                                               
adult.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER answered  that someone 18 years of age  or above is                                                               
an adult.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:59:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked how that  relates to the  age differences                                                               
built into the  penalties for statutory rape. For  example, if an                                                               
adult 18 years of age is independent from these statutes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.   SCHROEDER  responded   that  those   age  differences   are                                                               
independent of this statute.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:00:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  SHOWER offered  his belief  that the  age groupings  are                                                               
confusing, such  that some provisions  apply to victims  ages 13-                                                               
16, but  18 years and  older refers to an  adult. He asked  if it                                                               
could be rephrased.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  responded that  the  underlying  statute is  very                                                               
confusing. The Department  of Law tried to  make improvements and                                                               
the Legislative  Legal Services  has made  improvements. However,                                                               
additional improvements  could be made, she  said. The department                                                               
has  reverted to  the  use of  minor in  this  section, which  is                                                               
someone under the age of 18. She  said that this is the intent of                                                               
the Department of  Law, but she was unsure if  it meshes with the                                                               
committee's   intent.  She   explained   that  it   would  be   a                                                               
registerable sex  offense if someone  committed this  offense and                                                               
the victim  is a minor  or someone under  18 years old.  She said                                                               
the committee  could make other  age delineations as a  matter of                                                               
policy.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  REINBOLD remarked  that  any clarification  on the  bill                                                               
would be helpful.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:02:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MATT  DAVIDSON, Program  Officer,  Division  of Juvenile  Justice                                                               
(DJJ), Department  of Health and Social  Services (DHSS), Juneau,                                                               
stated that he could speak  generally on questions about juvenile                                                               
offenders.  He  explained  that  juveniles 17  years  of  age  or                                                               
younger are  referred to  DJJ. The  division handles  these cases                                                               
based  upon   their  risk  and   needs  and  the  risk   of  them                                                               
reoffending.  He said  that sentencing  provisions do  not apply,                                                               
that the division would make  its own determination on penalties,                                                               
whether  the  penalty  would   be  incarceration,  probation,  or                                                               
treatment.   The  division   said  that   indecent  viewing   and                                                               
production are  crimes that  juveniles commit  on each  other. He                                                               
said that  kids take pictures of  each other in locker  rooms and                                                               
other locations.  These types of  offenses are often  referred to                                                               
the DJJ and criminal charges are filed by the police.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD  asked whether  the crimes  listed in  Section 7                                                               
should be class B felonies.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIDSON asked for further clarification.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT explained  that in  Section  7 an  adult convicted  of                                                               
indecent  exposure in  the first  degree by  victimizing a  minor                                                               
under  the  age of  16  would  be guilty  of  a  class B  felony.                                                               
However, if two minors under the  ages of 16 engage in consensual                                                               
conduct, the class B penalty would not apply to them.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES related her understanding  that under current law an                                                               
adult  convicted of  indecent exposure  in the  first degree  for                                                               
victimizing a  minor under  the age  of 16 would  be guilty  of a                                                               
class C felony.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIDSON said  that if both the offender and  the victim were                                                               
juveniles  it would  stay in  the juvenile  system. He  said that                                                               
earlier Ms.  Schroeder mentioned  an automatic waiver.  These are                                                               
juveniles  who have  been waived  to  the adult  system under  AS                                                               
47.12.030  due  to the  severity  of  the  crimes. He  said  that                                                               
statute  lists  offenses   that  tend  to  be   the  more  severe                                                               
unclassified  felonies,  including  arson,  sexual  assault,  and                                                               
other high-level  crimes that juveniles  ages 16 and  over engage                                                               
in, but  the class B felonies  are not typically waived  to adult                                                               
court.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:06:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD  asked whether  it is the  committee's intention                                                               
to  make   the  penalty  for   an  adult,  an   18-year-old,  who                                                               
masturbates in front of a juvenile  under the age of 16 years old                                                               
a class B felony. She  asked whether he would support prosecuting                                                               
that crime as a class B felony.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIDSON answered that he does  not have an opinion on it. He                                                               
said it  would be a policy  call by the legislature.  Further, it                                                               
would not be a juvenile matter if the offender is 18 years old.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:07:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE said  he was  unsure of  when an  inappropriate                                                               
photo  becomes pornography.  He wondered  how parents  could give                                                               
permission to  a 13-year-old to  produce an  inappropriate photo.                                                               
It said he was struggling with those sections of the bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:08:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  SCHROEDER said  that  the conduct  referred  to as  indecent                                                               
viewing  addressed in  Sections 9,  11,  and 12,  is the  private                                                               
exposure of  someone. She described  the activity as  capturing a                                                               
nude person  in a photo,  but not  doing anything else.  She said                                                               
the specific definition  for child pornography is  a person under                                                               
the age of 18 engaging in:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     (1) sexual penetration,                                                                                                    
      (2) the lewd touching of another person's genitals,                                                                       
     anus, or breast                                                                                                            
     (3) the lewd touching by another person of the child's                                                                     
     genitals, anus, or breast;                                                                                                 
     (4) masturbation;                                                                                                          
     (5) bestiality;                                                                                                            
     (6) the lewd exhibition of a child's genitals; or                                                                          
     (7) sexual masochism or sadism.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She said that is the  range of conduct considered when discussing                                                               
making  child pornography,  distributing  child pornography,  and                                                               
possessing child pornography.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES understood  that sexual activity is  involved in the                                                               
imagery  in   child  pornography   that  is  not   included  with                                                               
production of photographs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE said that is  helpful. He still does not support                                                               
the section  related to producing  nude photos. He would  like to                                                               
continue to work on it.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:10:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked whether a  parent can consent  for juveniles                                                               
ages  14-16, but  it would  require consent  of both  parents for                                                               
juveniles ages 13 and under.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  answered that the  word "and" means that  it needs                                                               
both parents to consent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL [referred to page 5,  line 14]. He read portions of                                                               
[Section 12], paragraph (2), which read:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     (2) produces a  picture of the private  exposure of the                                                                    
     genitals, anus, or female breast  of another person and                                                                    
     the production occurs without  the knowledge or consent                                                                    
     of                                                                                                                         
          (A) the parent or guardian of under 16 years of                                                                       
          age; and                                                                                                              
          (B) the person shown in the picture if the person                                                                     
          shown is at least 13 years of age.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said that consent of the  minor and the parents is required if                                                               
the child  is 13 or 14,  but only parental consent  for juveniles                                                               
ages  15-16.  He   thought  it  might  be   worth  reviewing  the                                                               
underlying law.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER said that [in Section  12] if the juvenile is under                                                               
16, it  would require  parental consent  and if  the minor  is at                                                               
least  13, it  requires  both parents  and  the 13-year-old.  She                                                               
interpreted that  to mean it  only requires the  parental consent                                                               
if the minor is under the age of 13.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:12:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER  asked whether that  has been  adjudicated through                                                               
the courts for the ages of 13 or below.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER  said  this  section  of  criminal  law  is  often                                                               
litigated because it  is drafted in a confusing  manner. She said                                                               
that the committee may bring further  clarity in terms of the age                                                               
distinctions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE suggested  considering a  reasonable upper  age                                                               
limit.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:13:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT  suggested that the  Department of Law  could highlight                                                               
the reason for  changes to this section, which is  to add clarity                                                               
to current law.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHROEDER explained  that the  Department of  Law originally                                                               
started  amending  [AS 11.61.120]  for  two  reasons. First,  the                                                               
statute  is drafted  in  a confusing  manner  and the  department                                                               
often  spends time  litigating it.  Second, the  department would                                                               
like  to  make some  conduct,  in  particular the  production  of                                                               
photos, a sexual  felony. This conduct is currently  not a sexual                                                               
felony. Using  a tiered  approach where  the victim  is juvenile,                                                               
the offense is  sentenced at a higher range. If  the victim is an                                                               
adult and produces  photographs, it is a class C  felony but also                                                               
a registerable  sex offense. She  emphasized that  the department                                                               
is  trying  to make  some  of  that  conduct a  registerable  sex                                                               
offense. In  current statute, viewing and  production are jumbled                                                               
together.  The  department  would   like  to  separate  out  that                                                               
conduct,  which is  the  goal.  The department  is  very open  to                                                               
further clarification in this area.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:15:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT reiterated that this  bill seeks to clarify current law                                                               
and not create  more issues. The committee will  continue to work                                                               
to tweak the language.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  acknowledged that  some  issues  have been  raised                                                               
about age  differences. Further, the committee  needs to consider                                                               
a parent allowing minors to pose  for photos except for a medical                                                               
journal.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:16:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 7(a).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     (a) An offender commits the crime of indecent exposure                                                                     
        in the first degree if the offender violates AS                                                                         
     11.41.460(a) and                                                                                                           
          (1) while committing the act constituting the                                                                         
          offense, the offender knowingly masturbates; or                                                                       
          (2) the offense occurs within the observation of                                                                      
          a person under 16 years of age and the offender                                                                       
          has been previously convicted under                                                                                   
               (A) this section;                                                                                                
               (B) AS 11.41.460(a); or                                                                                          
               (C)  a law  or ordinance  of this  or another                                                                    
               jurisdiction  with  elements   similar  to  a                                                                    
               crime  listed  under  (A)   or  (B)  of  this                                                                    
               paragraph.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  the crime  occurs when  the offender  commits                                                               
indecent exposure when  they commit the crime within  the view of                                                               
someone under  16 years  of age and  the offender  had previously                                                               
committed the  crime in Alaska  or another jurisdiction.  He said                                                               
the  intent is  not  just  related to  age  but  also relates  to                                                               
repeated indecent conduct.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:17:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   SHOWER  asked   whether  this   bill  applies   to  sex                                                               
trafficking and cybercrime  or if it should be  expanded to cover                                                               
those crimes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER  answered that it  does not matter if  the activity                                                               
involving photographs  occurs online. However, if  the picture is                                                               
of sexual acts, the department has  a whole host of statutes that                                                               
it can charge under.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:18:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL said that currently  if an adult exposes themselves                                                               
to a person under 16 years  of age, the offender would already be                                                               
guilty of indecent exposure in the first degree.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT offered to review it.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LARGENT answered that he is  correct that the language is not                                                               
currently fixed. She said that  provision is intended to increase                                                               
to a class B felony. The  class B felony issue discussed today is                                                               
[where the conduct  occurred in front of someone  under] 16 years                                                               
of age and had a prior conviction.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked whether  there  is  a way  to  specifically                                                               
address that  but not bump  masturbation in front of  someone who                                                               
does not wish to  see it to a charge of  indecent exposure in the                                                               
first degree.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES related  her understanding  that the  penalty would                                                               
only be increased  if the indecent exposure happened  in front of                                                               
minors.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LARGENT  clarified it  would  be  for indecent  exposure  to                                                               
minors  and for  having a  second conviction.  She asked  whether                                                               
Senator Kiehl was interested in sentencing enhancement.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL asked whether Section  7 would increase the penalty                                                               
for masturbating  in front of an  adult who does not  want to see                                                               
it. He  related his  understanding that  this would  increase the                                                               
penalty from indecent  exposure in the second  degree to indecent                                                               
exposure in the first degree.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LARGENT  answered that is correct.  It would also be  a crime                                                               
for someone to masturbate in front of someone 16 years or older.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  whether Section  7 would  make it  a higher                                                               
level of crime.  He understood the rationale  for masturbating in                                                               
front of a 16-year-old and for  repeat offences. He was unsure of                                                               
[the increased penalty].                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES asked  whether  this would  increase  the level  of                                                               
crime for victims who are adults, which was not the intent.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:22:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT  answered that this would  need to be amended  since it                                                               
was not  the intent. The  intent is that  the penalty would  be a                                                               
higher-level crime when  the offender is an adult  and the victim                                                               
is a  minor. He  agreed that  is not the  way the  bill currently                                                               
reads.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:22:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD   asked  for   further  clarification   on  age                                                               
classifications.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  asked the Department of  Law if a minor  is someone                                                               
age 17 and under.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHROEDER answered yes.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES asked  whether there is a separate  definition for a                                                               
child.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHOREDER answered no.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:23:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  said that AS  11.41.460(a) relates  to indecent                                                               
exposure and does not cover masturbation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT pointed  out  that AS  11.41.460  relates to  indecent                                                               
exposure  in  the second  degree  and  this relates  to  indecent                                                               
exposure in the  first degree. In order to be  guilty of indecent                                                               
exposure  in the  first  degree the  person  must have  committed                                                               
indecent exposure in  the second degree plus the  added pieces of                                                               
this section. He agreed that the section needs work.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  said he  would like to  hear the  Department of                                                               
Law address  this over  the next  few days.  He offered  that the                                                               
department  has a  familiarity with  this statute,  and he  would                                                               
like to hear  their suggestions rather than for  the committee to                                                               
"chase our tails."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES remarked that the committee's  goal is to try to get                                                               
this  right.   She  offered  to   have  conversations   with  the                                                               
Department of Law to try to clarify the problematic provisions.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:26:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT reviewed Section 13.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
    Section   13:   Amends    AS   11.61.125(e)   to   make                                                                     
     distribution of child pornography a class A felony on                                                                      
     first offense. (Page 6, Line 11 through line 17)                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT  reminded members that  the repealer section is  at the                                                               
end of the bill. He pointed  out that AS 11.61.124(e)(1) would be                                                               
repealed. This lists  class B felony. He  reiterated that section                                                               
changes the crime  to class A felony regardless of  whether it is                                                               
a first offense or a repeat offense.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:27:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT reviewed Section 14.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  14:  Amends  AS  12.55.015  by  adding  a  new                                                                    
     subsection (l) that states there  is a presumption of a                                                                    
     no contact  order between the defendant  and the victim                                                                    
     until  the  defendant  is  unconditionally  discharged.                                                                    
     (Page 6, lines 18 through 23)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT  explained that  this change  was suggested  by Senator                                                               
Kiehl.  He  pointed  out  a  drafting  error.  This  section  was                                                               
intended to specifically  apply to sex offenses  as defined under                                                               
AS 12.63.100  or a crime  involving domestic violence  as defined                                                               
in  AS 18.66.990.  He stated  a forthcoming  amendment would  fix                                                               
this.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES said  that Senator Kiehl's request was  to narrow it                                                               
to  apply to  domestic  violence. She  related her  understanding                                                               
that technical problems arose in Version U when it was drafted.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT responded that was his understanding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL agreed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:28:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT  turned to  Section 15  related to  enhanced sentencing                                                               
for  class B  felonies and  assault  in the  second degree.  This                                                               
section has  been addressed in  another bill and will  be removed                                                               
from SB 35.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:29:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 16.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  16:  Amends  AS 12.55.125(i)  with  sentencing                                                                    
     guideline language  to conform  with Section  7 "sexual                                                                    
     abuse  of  a minor  in  the  third degree",  Section  9                                                                    
     "indecent  viewing  or  production of  a  picture"  and                                                                    
     Section 13  "distribution of child  pornography". (Page                                                                    
     7, line  14 through Page  10, line 5)  (Section changes                                                                    
     are  found  on page  8,  line  5  and Page8,  lines  18                                                                    
     through 21)                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:29:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 17.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17: No  substantive change  but a  clean-up in                                                                    
     wording for  AS 12.55.145(a)(4)(D).  (Page 11,  line 31                                                                    
     through Page 12, line 2)                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT said  that this would relate to  convictions in another                                                               
jurisdiction.  It  specifically  relates to  guidelines  for  the                                                               
purposes of considering prior  conviction and imposing sentences.                                                               
He clarified  that it  carries the same  intent the  bill sponsor                                                               
would like to accomplish.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:30:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 19.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 19:  Conforming language for the  definition of                                                                    
     "sexual felony" to include "sexual  abuse of a minor in                                                                    
     the third  degree" and "indecent viewing  or production                                                                    
     of  a picture".  These  changes  in sentence  structure                                                                    
     conform to changes in Sections 7 and 9 of the bill.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 20.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  20:  Amends  AS  12.61.050(c)  to  direct  the                                                                    
     Department  of Corrections  to  include  in the  Victim                                                                    
     Notification System  (VINE) information for  victims of                                                                    
     a crime  involving domestic violence or  a sex offense,                                                                    
     on how  to request  a protective  order and  to provide                                                                    
     contact information  for state victim  resources. (Page                                                                    
     13, lines 6 through 13)                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He said this  is also conforming language to Sections  7 and 9 of                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT reviewed Section 20.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  20:  Amends  AS  12.61.050(c)  to  direct  the                                                                    
     Department  of Corrections  to  include  in the  Victim                                                                    
     Notification System  (VINE) information for  victims of                                                                    
     a crime  involving domestic violence or  a sex offense,                                                                    
     on how  to request  a protective  order and  to provide                                                                    
     contact information  for state victim  resources. (Page                                                                    
     13, lines 6 through 13                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT said  the  victim notification  system  is already  in                                                               
statute  and is  already  working. Senator  Kiehl suggested  this                                                               
language, so  that a victim  of domestic violence or  sex offense                                                               
would  be given  additional  information to  secure a  protective                                                               
order against the individual's past victimizer.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:31:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 21-22.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section  21:  Amends  AS 12.63.010(d)  with  conforming                                                                    
     language for  Sections 22  and 23.  (Page 13.  Lines 14                                                                    
     through 27)                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  22:  Amends  AS  12.63.020  with  language  to                                                                    
     reconcile the  duration requirements in Section  23 for                                                                    
     sex  offenders  from  other jurisdictions  to  register                                                                    
     when in the state of  Alaska. (Page 13, line 28 through                                                                    
     Page 15, line 23)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WHITT explained that Section  22 was requested by Ms. Largent                                                               
to  tighten up  and make  clear  the state's  desire that  people                                                               
coming to  Alaska from  other jurisdictions  need to  register as                                                               
sex offenders in the state.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT reviewed Section 26.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section  26:  Amends  AS 33.16.090(b)  with  conforming                                                                    
     language for Section 25, as  well as making class B and                                                                    
     C  sex offenses  ineligible  for discretionary  parole.                                                                    
     (Page 18, line 24 through Page 20, line 23)                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He said that many of these sections are also included in SB 34.                                                                 
Chair Hughes would like to remove Sections 25 and 26 and insert                                                                 
them in SB 34, where the changes are more appropriate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:33:09 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT reviewed Sections 27-29.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 27:  Amends AS  44.19.647(a) and  instructs the                                                                    
     Alaska  Judicial Council  to  include  in their  annual                                                                    
     report,  data collected  by the  Department  of Law  as                                                                    
     described  in Section  29. (Page  20,  line 24  through                                                                    
     Page 21, line 8)                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 28: Adds  a new subsection (k)  to AS 44.23.020                                                                    
     instructing  the   Department  of  Law  to   develop  a                                                                    
     [tracking  mechanism  to  obtain]  certain  information                                                                    
     [regarding]  sex offense  complaints  by region.  (Page                                                                    
     21, line 9 through line 19)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 29: Adds  a new subsection (b)  to AS 44.23.040                                                                    
     instructing the Department of Law  to gather and report                                                                    
     data  on  felony  sex  offenses  including  the  number                                                                    
     reported but  not referred for prosecution,  the number                                                                    
     referred for prosecution that  were not prosecuted, and                                                                    
     the number the number that  resulted in a conviction of                                                                    
     a crime  other than  a sex offense.  (Page 21,  line 20                                                                    
     through line 29)                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WHITT explained  that  these three  sections  all relate  to                                                               
information gathering for reporting.  Chair Hughes would like the                                                               
state to  have a better grasp  on what is happening  in the state                                                               
with respect to  unreported sex crimes and the  reasons that some                                                               
sex crimes are not prosecuted.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:34:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  said that [Standing  Together Against  Rape] (STAR)                                                               
brought these requests forward. She  asked Ms. Largent to explain                                                               
an  additional  language request  from  STAR.  She indicated  she                                                               
liked the recommendation  since it was more  descriptive, but the                                                               
committee was unable to make the change.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LARGENT  said  that  STAR asked  to  rename  sexual  assault                                                               
because  jurors   sometimes  expect   victims  to   have  visible                                                               
injuries. Sometimes this  charge is related to a  victim who does                                                               
not  have the  capacity to  consent and  the offender  is charged                                                               
with  sexual assault.  Legislative Legal  Services does  not have                                                               
the power to make the change.  She said that the statute headings                                                               
are  created by  the revisor  of  statutes. The  process used  to                                                               
change the headings happens when  substantive changes are made to                                                               
statutes.  The   legislature  could  then  request   the  change.                                                               
However, in this instance no substantive change was being made.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES said at the  point when substantive changes are next                                                               
made, the legislature would request  it through the revisors bill                                                               
since it was a good idea.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:36:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 30.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  30:  Amends   AS  47.17.020(e)  adds  indecent                                                                    
     viewing  or production  of a  picture  as described  in                                                                    
     Sections  8 and  9, as  possible criminal  conduct that                                                                    
     must  be reported  under the  State's "duty  to report"                                                                    
     statutes. (Page 21, line 30 through Page 22, line 12)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:37:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WHITT read Section 33.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  33: Instructions  for  revisor  to change  the                                                                    
     heading  of  AS  11.61.123   to  "Indecent  viewing  or                                                                    
     production".(Page  23, line  11 through  Page 23,  line                                                                    
     16)                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  pointed out  the genesis of  the change  in Section                                                               
30. Senator  Reinbold brought up  the prevalence of  students who                                                               
text explicit photos  to one another. She said  that school staff                                                               
has a duty to report that conduct.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES remarked that some items would need to be fixed.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  removed  her objection.  There  being  no  further                                                               
objection, the  committee substitute  (CS) for  SB 35,  Version U                                                               
was adopted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:38:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL said  he  researched the  issue  of requiring  sex                                                               
offenders  convicted  in  another  jurisdiction  to  register  in                                                               
Alaska. He  offered his  belief that  the existing  statute could                                                               
use  some  tightening. He  expressed  concern  that the  way  the                                                               
governor's  bill  is  written   it  delegates  the  legislature's                                                               
constitutional  authority to  other  state  legislatures. He  was                                                               
unsure  if it  was  constitutional  to do  so.  It would  require                                                               
people to  register for things that  are not crimes in  Alaska or                                                               
anywhere in the U.S.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL, in  response  to Chair  Hughes,  said an  example                                                               
would be engaging in consensual  homosexual sex. He said at least                                                               
one state requires  adults engaging in that  behavior to register                                                               
as sex  offenders. He said  that he  is working on  language that                                                               
would tighten the registry that  would require offenders who have                                                               
committed crimes in  other states who must register  in Alaska to                                                               
do so. However,  if the other state's law is  broader than Alaska                                                               
law  and the  conduct  is not  against the  law  in Alaska  those                                                               
offenders would not be required to register in Alaska.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. LARGENT  acknowledged that as  Senator Kiehl  mentioned, some                                                               
crimes on  the list do  not exactly match  up. She said  that any                                                               
laws that make sodomy a  crime in other states are unenforceable.                                                               
These  laws  were overturned  by  the  U.S. Supreme  Court  under                                                               
Lawrence v.  Texas, 1994. She  has requested that  the Department                                                               
of Public  Safety ask whether  the state's sex registry  has been                                                               
purged  for  anyone who  was  convicted  in another  state  under                                                               
sodomy  laws. She  offered to  report back  to the  committee and                                                               
Senator Kiehl's office.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[SB 35 was held in committee.]                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:41:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES reviewed upcoming committee announcements.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:42:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR SHOWER remarked that he was unsure that the Legislative                                                                 
Legal Services bill drafters could draft the amendments timely.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SJUD Agenda 3.13.19.pdf SJUD 3/13/2019 1:30:00 PM
CSSB35 Version U.pdf SJUD 3/13/2019 1:30:00 PM
SB 35
CSSB35 Explanation of Changes from Version A to U.pdf SJUD 3/13/2019 1:30:00 PM
SB 35